Comments on: This is Torture?

By: rmwarnick

rmwarnick — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:04:56 +0000

I know this post is specifically about waterboarding, but let’s not forget the many other forms of torture employed by the CIA and the U.S. military in recent years. Glenn Greenwald reminds us that many detainees were tortured to death.

By: rmwarnick

rmwarnick — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:05:28 +0000

I suggest you read Malcolm Nance’s article. You literally could not find anyone who knows more about waterboarding. It’s torture (going back to the Spanish Inquisition), it’s illegal, it’s condemned all over the world. Oh, and by the way, torture does not produce useful intelligence. It was used by the Bush administration to coerce false confessions.

By: Trenton Hansen

Trenton Hansen — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:09:10 +0000

Well, rmwarnick, I might counter by saying that your comment is probably the most ignorant comment I have ever had on this entire blog since its inception in 2004. But, I won’t.

Instead, I will simply point out that the video exhibited both here and on the Weekly Standard was produced by Playboy. I shouldn’t have to point out such obvious details, but since you apparently haven’t watched the video I’m left with little choice.

I’m sure Malcolm Nance has a different opinion of whether waterboarding is torture, but I don’t see any compelling reason to accept his opinion over that of anyone else. His explanation is probably not any better than what is given in the video above.

How many civilians have now volunteered to be waterboarded? I know of three right now. There are certainly others. By contrast, how many people have volunteered to have their fingernails pulled out, or their teeth drilled, or their genitals wired to a car battery, or hot knives run under their flesh, or any one of a hundred other methods of real torture? None, so far, and I wouldn’t wait around for anyone to show up.

‘nough said.

By: rmwarnick

rmwarnick — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:16:24 +0000

This is the most ignorant blog post I’ve seen in a long time, and I’ve followed Utah blogs for years. You ought to check before relying on The Weekly Standard for factual information.

Please read Malcolm Nance’s excellent explanation: Waterboarding is Torture… Period.

By: Desiree Paquette

Desiree Paquette — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:33:13 +0000

Torture: beheading, as in what Muslim Extremists have been known to do to American citizens and service personal at will.
Torture: Flying planes into buildings containing thousands of innocent citizens for no legtimate reason. Leaving many wounded to endure long periods of recooperation and leaving families of thousands of victims to cope with the reality.
Torture: Randomly bombing and killing innocent children throughout the world, leaving many more thousands wounded and in need of long periods of recooperation, many hundreds loosing limbs or sight. Many more families forced to endure life without loved ones.
Get a clue! Why do I not hear you bemoaning that?

By: Trenton Hansen

Trenton Hansen — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:25:29 +0000

Ron and I had a fun conversation via twitter, wherein he used the standard leftist tactics of name-calling, evasion, misdirection, slander and ridicule.

But he gave me some great fodder for another post…

Keep watching.

By: Nate

Nate — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:58:50 +0000

I saw no anguish, no agony, no excruciating pain, no cruelty. I’m gonna have to go with the author on this one, and wait for a more cogent expression than “liar, liar, liar” (ad nauseum). I heard that one in grade school. Nor, jasonthe, would I consider this, “someone challenging your assertions.” Even if he’d included “pants on fire,” which would have been a bit more complete.

By: jasonthe

jasonthe — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:25:58 +0000

Someone challenging your assertions is considered a troll on this blog?

Nice.

By: Trenton Hansen

Trenton Hansen — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:48:44 +0000

Yeah, I left out all those secondary definitions, right after I conveniently included a link to the definition.

Go troll elsewhere.

By: Ron Andrew ODaniels

Ron Andrew ODaniels — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:10:50 +0000

But wait I am not done here is the rest of the dictionary definition you used and conveniently removed what did not suit you:

tor•ture

Pronunciation: (tôr’chur), [key]
—n., v., -tured, -tur•ing.

—n.
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.

—v.t.
1. to subject to torture.
2. to afflict with severe pain of body or mind: My back is torturing me.
3. to force or extort by torture: We’ll torture the truth from his lips!
4. to twist, force, or bring into some unnatural position or form: trees tortured by storms.
5. to distort or pervert (language, meaning, etc.).

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